Makers markings are located on the ribbon ring that is a large ring through a smaller ring--in which through the larger ring--the ribbon for the Iron Cross is put through. The actual iron cross in the middle is a separate piece from the outer frame. Here is a list of 1939 Iron Cross 2nd Class makers markings. . (Iron Cross) This exhaustive list of 1914 EK2 Manufacturers was put together by my friend Jens. All three versions of the Iron Cross were emblazoned with the date 1939 at the bottom. This does not indicate . Location. WW1 GERMAN IRON CROSS SECOND CLASS - WS MAKER MARK. To the right an original case for the Iron Cross 1st Class. AGH-Arbeitsgemeinschaft, Hanau 165.00 Iron Cross 1939. It appears to be the traditional construction: a two piece silver frame surrounding an iron core. Excellent condition, slight damage to the paintwork on the front side. 11286 German WW1 Iron Cross First Class medal EK1 vaulted magnetic screw back. If you choose the payment method in advance, please transfer the . WW1 German Iron . IRONCROSS #32725 Imperial 2nd Class Iron Cross. However, I do not wish to name the dealer concerned openly on the Forum. The Iron Cross 1st Class had the same dimensions and identical obverse features as the 2nd Class (44mm by 44mm). Deschler & Sohn = 1 . + $6.01 shipping + $6.01 shipping + $6.01 shipping. 138 Julius Maurer, Oberstein.. 250.00 Iron Cross 1939 2nd class. The illustrations show a First class Iron Cross made by Godet, Berlin, and an example of a Second class with the same core (Fig. Rudolf Souval, Wien. 856 Here is a list of 1939 Iron Cross 2nd Class makers markings. This Iron Cross has a fine patination throughout and all of the serrations are still crisp. 99.99 It sits atop a plaque marked "1939". Picture 2 is the Iron Cross Second Class (Eisernes Kreuz 2. He became a Jagdstaffel commander during that war, and an advisor to the Luftwaffe during World War II. An iron core may also have traces of rust after over one hundred years - or less, in the case of WW2 examples. E. Fred Wiedmann, Frankfurt am Main 20. Cross makers often have several variants that keep collectors on the hunt. First look for any markings on the ring. Klasse, or EK2 or EKII). Hosted by John G & William Kramer. 9-10). First look for any markings on the ring. 65 Klein & Quenzer,. From this time, the Black Cross was featured on the Prussian war flag . Although it was distributed in great numbers, the superior quality of the crosses manufactured remained consistent. 25 AdGH 195.00 a WW2 Iron cross class 1, maker number 26, for sale Which is in its original box and both in imaculate . 2nd class. Crisply detailed 3 piece constructed Iron Cross 1st Class with magnetic center. $78.89 . Constructed of 3 pieces, the 1st class was a breast badge and therefore the reverse was a solid silvered metal plate with only the attachment mechanism present. Member. Second try and slip a piece of paper between the actual cross and shell. . Medals, Waffen SS, Holocaust (star of David, Zyklon, etc. Pair of Full Size Replica Iron Cross Medals with Ribbon Germany/Prussia WW1 WW2. Fig. Joined: 24 Aug 2005, 20:01. 11286 German WW1 Iron Cross First Class medal EK1 vaulted magnetic screw back . This is where a magnifying glass comes in handy. WW1 GERMAN IRON CROSS SECOND CLASS - WS MAKER MARK. Deschler & Sohn = 1 C.E. View Details. Pictures 3 & 4 are the Iron Cross 1st Class. 65 Klein & Quenzer, Idar-Oberstein. E. Post. The Black Cross (Schwarzes Kreuz) is the emblem used by the Prussian Army and Germany's army from 1871 to the present.It was designed on the occasion of the German Campaign of 1813, when Friedrich Wilhelm III of Prussia commissioned the Iron Cross as the first military decoration open to all ranks, including enlisted men. It has a maker mark "D-W" on the suspension ring. 1914 1st Klasse Eiserne Kreuz (Iron Cross) This page lists all the know manufacturer's markings found on 1914 1st Klasse Eiserne Kreuz manufactured up to 1918. Makers Mark Bottle, Original WW II German Medals, Pins & Ribbons, Original WW I German Medals, . Maker marked to the ring. by Bankers 30 May 2006, 16:30. It has a maker mark "D-W" on the suspension ring. The Iron Cross 1st Class and 2nd Class shared the same dimensions, measuring 44mm in width and height. Original black paint. I managed to get an unequivocal opinion: it is an early Deumer [Iron cross 1st class, without mark - Wehrmacht-Awards.com Militaria Forums Best regards Zoltan . WW1 GERMAN IRON CROSS SECOND CLASS - WS MAKER MARK. This example as removed from a tunic. On this one you can see a little ko stamped on the top which is a sure sign the cross is real. . Cross makers often have several variants that keep collectors on the hunt. Layaway plan, FREE shipping worldwide, best prices, RARE items, come & see ! I asked the dealer what price he had on the cross and he told me that the cross was a repro. 19. Oszeres, Jan 26, 2010 #23. chris222 recruit. It appears to be the traditional construction: a two piece silver frame surrounding an iron core. WW2 Iron Crosses were usually never pure silver, and the 1st Class pieces could have a core of iron, brass, zinc or other metals, an iron core being the most desirable from the collector's point of view. Iron Cross 1st Class by Sebastin J. Bianchi The Iron Cross 1st Class had the same dimensions and identical obverse features as the 2nd Class (44mm by 44mm). These maker lists are always a work in progress and are the direct result of collectors bringing new information to the community. Attached by the recipient after the award. Made from cloth. This is the usual place to find makers marks on the EKII. Post. 99.99 Fig. . Known Silver Content Marks on EK2: SILBER: Quarter . 9: EK1 marked for Godet. IRONCROSS #37895 1st Class Spange with Screw-back This 1st Class Spange shows some wear and patination on the right wing as well as the swastika. Iron Cross 1939 2nd class. The document is dated "4, Juli 1941" . A great many 1914 EK1 were manufactured in the Third Reich era and will be found with various markings which are outside of the scope of this reference. New New New. 2nd class. I've had this Iron Cross for a few years which I purchased from a dealer, in good faith, believing it to be genuine and not not a reproduction/fake. The Iron Cross 1st Class and 2nd Class shared the same dimensions, measuring 44mm in width and height. This is the usual place to find makers marks on the EKII. TOOLS. 11286 German WW1 Iron Cross First Class medal EK1 vaulted magnetic screw back. Juncker = 2 or L/12 Wilhelm Deumer = 3 or L/11 Steinhauer & Lck = 4 or L/16 Fritz Zimmermann = 6 Paul Meybauer = 7 or L/13 Grossmann & Co. = 11 Frank & Reif = 12 Gustav Brehmer = 13 L. Christian Lauer = 14 Friedrich Orth = 15 Alois Rettenmaier = 16 World War II was the first mechanized war, and the technological advancements were carried over to the awards industry - where previous Iron Crosses had been manufactured largely by hand, the Iron Cross 1939 was mass produced. Iron Cross 1939 2nd class. 8323 German Luftwaffe Ground Attack Badge post WW2 1957 pattern maker: ST&L. Pre-owned Pre-owned Pre-owned. The Black Cross (Schwarzes Kreuz) is the emblem used by the Prussian Army and Germany's army from 1871 to the present.It was designed on the occasion of the German Campaign of 1813, when Friedrich Wilhelm III of Prussia commissioned the Iron Cross as the first military decoration open to all ranks, including enlisted men. 179.99 . For manufacturing process, please see the section in this article . A great many 1914 EK1 were manufactured in the Third Reich era and will be found with various markings which are outside of the scope of this reference. I will be comparing the WW2 iron cross which is a fake to a WW1 iron cross which is real. 11 posts Page 1 of 1. hidalgo75. Rittmeister Carl Bolle (also as Karl Bolle ), PlM, MMC, HOH, IC (20 June 1893 - 9 October 1955), was a fighter ace with 36 aerial victories during World War I. Second try and slip a piece of paper between the . Original period award document named to Luftwaffe Air Gunner/Radio Operator/Bomber Crewmember Obergefreiten Josef Knepper. Regular version, without frame adjustment next to swaz. 1914 Iron Cross 1st Class, maker 'W' 1914 Iron Cross 1st Class, silver backed in excellent condition, maker marked 'W' for Wagner of Berlin, broad pin, an excellent first class IC1 with a less common maker mark 225.00 Enquire about this item GM0015 1914 Iron Cross 1st Class The 1st and 2nd Class of the 1939 Iron Cross measured 44mm and were perfectly symmetrical, while the Knights Cross measured 48mm. Hersteller (Manufacturer) Marking: Maker: Location + Unknown: Unknown: A: Assmann: Ldenscheid: AP: Unknown: Unknown: AWS: A. Werner & Sohne (See Manufacturer's Marks) Berlin: B: Unknown: . WW2 IRON CROSS 2nd CLASS - MAKER MARKED "65" - WITH ENVELOPE OF ISSUE : SOLD ref:trm-ekiimm6-bg ; More Images; WW2 Iron Cross 2nd class - ring maker marked - "65" for maker 'Klein & Quenzer A.G.' of Idar-Oberstein a.d. Nahe - with envelope of issue also with the correct maker mark 'Klein & Quenzer A.G.' - with original period ribbon 8323 German Luftwaffe Ground Attack Badge post WW2 1957 pattern maker: ST&L. Pre-owned Pre-owned Pre-owned. Iron core. (Iron Cross) This exhaustive list of 1914 EK2 Manufacturers was put together by my friend Jens. 180.00 Iron Cross 1939 2nd class. 65 Klein & Quenzer,. Furthermore the matching case of issue. The detailing is good throughout the bird and wreath. Very good condition. An example of a 1914 First Class . At least the frame tarnishes like silver and the core is magnetic. Constructed of 3 pieces, the 1st class was a breast badge and therefore the reverse was a solid silvered metal plate with only the attachment mechanism present. . Known Silver Content Marks on EK2: SILBER: Quarter . I asked him how he knew that and he said that in the early 90's a well . From this time, the Black Cross was featured on the Prussian war flag . Iron Cross 1939 2nd class. The screw-back is a round, fluted concave type. There were 3 versions of the Iron Cross medal during the period of the Third Reich - the Iron Cross 2nd Class, the Iron Cross 1st Class, and the Knight's Cross. 179.99 . The larger Knight's Cross measured 48mm in width and height. 175.00 Iron Cross 1939 2nd class. . 1914 1st Klasse Eiserne Kreuz (Iron Cross) This page lists all the know manufacturer's markings found on 1914 1st Klasse Eiserne Kreuz manufactured up to 1918. Location 19. Not to be confused with Carl Bolle (18211909), a German naturalist and collector. MAKERS MARKINGS #'s and NAME of manufacturer. This does not indicate . WW1 GERMAN IRON CROSS SECOND CLASS - WS MAKER MARK. There are serrations for easy turning. While it still looks genuine to me other collectors have questioned whether or not some or the Third Reich items purchased from this dealer are genuine or not. On this one you can see a little ko stamped on the top which is a sure sign the cross is real. Location: San Francisco, CA, USA. Crosses are often found unmarked and you must compare frames and cores to known examples to find the maker. Same applied to the First Class, bar was then worn above the decoration. WW1 1916 Austro-Hungarian Medal The Karl Troop Cross With Original Ribbon . $18.77 + $10.02 shipping + $10.02 shipping + $10.02 shipping. Discussions on other First and Second World War militaria and collecting in general. This is where a magnifying glass comes in handy. 10 Steps. WW2 Bar to the Iron Cross 1st class 1st type - Material: die struck alloy, with silver finish and brass hinge, pin and hook This bar was awarded to recipients of the 1914 Iron Cross 1st class who were subsequently awarded the 1939 Iron Cross during WW2 I asked him how he knew that and he said that in the early 90's a well . $65.11 + $11.27 shipping + $11.27 shipping + $11.27 shipping. 65 Klein & Quenzer, Idar-Oberstein. Three-part construction. Posts: 21. The obverse depicts a raised "W" in the center with a Prussian crown at the top and the date, "1914" at the bottom leg. The cross looked good to me. The Iron Cross in the same class cound not be awarded a second time, so the 1939 bar was introduced. I asked the dealer what price he had on the cross and he told me that the cross was a repro. 250.00. 20: Maker's mark "L" on the ribbon ring, and the characteristic ninth bead in the crown's headband. The black cover of the case has partially come off. First class Iron Cross marked L/11. On the obverse, all grades featured a mobile swastika in the center, with the year 1939 on the bottom arm of the cross. Joined: Apr 8, 2010 Messages: 1 . Iron cross 2nd class of 1939 ribbon, full length 22.00 Iron Cross 1939. The original finish is still 100% throughout the obverse and reverse. 1914 Iron Cross 2nd Class on its original ribbon. As worn by a veteran of both wars. I was recently shown a first class WW II iron cross marked L/11 on the pin. Louis Schneider, the Privy Court Councilor and Reader of his Majesty the King, notes in his 1872 work, The Book of the Iron Cross, that King Wilhelm I re-instituted the Iron Cross with an order dated 19 July 1870, the very day of his beloved mother Queen Luise's death. Of the three medals the Iron Cross 2nd Class was most common while the Iron Cross 1st Class . Hersteller (Manufacturer) Marking: Maker: Location + Unknown: Unknown: A: Assmann: Ldenscheid: AP: Unknown: Unknown: AWS: A. Werner & Sohne (See Manufacturer's Marks) Berlin: B: Unknown: . The larger Knight's Cross measured 48mm in width and height. The cross looked good to me. I was recently shown a first class WW II iron cross marked L/11 on the pin. Klasse, or EK2 or EKII). The top of the case shows an Iron Cross. Real or Fake Iron Cross 1st class. Makers markings are located on the ribbon ring that is a large ring through a smaller ring--in which through the larger ring--the ribbon for the Iron Cross is put through. ), daggers, Signs, Helmets . No maker stamping evident. by Bankers 30 May 2006, 16:30. . MAKERS MARKINGS #'s and NAME of manufacturer. First class Iron Cross marked L/11.